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sent as Deputy from that Association around the hills to ascertain
how the organisation of the Associatns. were proceeding He spake of
a body of men to the amount of 1/2 a dozen from the Associations
around Merthyr - That they stated that upwards of 2000 men were
already organised & armed - He said the Deputies were to meet at
Dukes Town - He made a proposition to the meetg he put the questn
Were they all armed & prepared for the worst them that were
were requested to hold up their right hands - most of those present
did so - The prisoner was present - I did not see him hold up his
hand - I did not hear him day any thing - he might have held up his
hand without my seeing him - I heard the Chairman address a boy
that was standing by his side 'Do you know for what you held up
your hand" I don't distinctly know what the boy's reply was, but the
question was repeated to the boy & he said 'Are you prepared?" the boy
answered & said Yes, as well as some others. The Chairman spoke to
the members & said, if there are any here who expect to get the
Charter without a struggle I would advise them to leave the Associatn
directly The prisoner was in the room at the time & must have heard
what was said - he did not leave the room - he was standing at the
door. There were class Leaders called to go to a private room - The
prisoner went with them. I considered the meeting broke up & left the
house. The Chairman went into the private room - He was partlarly
called - the prisoner was in the room when Phillips spoke in the
words I have stated - the prisoner was standing at the door of his
Cellar - he was standing at the door within the room They passed
out of the room they were in into another, & the private room was
at the end of that one - I did not say any such thing as that
the prisoner attended the meeting at Dukes Town - All the Class
Leaders went into the room at the corner of the Kitchen - They were
called Class Leaders. I saw the prisoner go with them.

John Roberts sworn - Says I am Superintendent of Police for the
Parish of Trevethin - I know the prisoner - he is a Hatter & Beerhouse
Keeper at Pontnewynidd in the Parish of Trevethin - I know there is
a Society held at his house called the Working Men's Association, or

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