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he said he had made them for the Rasso Lodge -
he said he recieved 53 Shillings for them - that
is a Shilling a piece - he said the people at the
Rasso Lodge paid him that - the Rasso Lodge is
a Chartist Lodge - I asked him if he did not
sell them for cheap - he said that was enough for
them too cheap- I asked him what was the reason
he did do them - I asked him if he made them
to kill our neighbours or our family he said he
was forced to do them - I did not say anything
more about that - he said he had heard three
at the Rasso Lodge say they were enough to kill
Mr Summers Harford Mr Rosser of Ebbw Vale and
the Police man - Mr Rosser is cashier at Ebbw Vale
He said that if the Chartists would gain the Victory
at Brecon and the next places Abergavenny and Newport
that he would put his spike into a sheep or some fowl
and when he did follow the Chartists that they might
know that he did kill a man, put it into somebody
some lot of people did rise that night - I don't know
what did they call themselves - I and John Thomas
went afterwards to another Public at Llangunnider where
we stayed that night - I did not take much notice
but of one of the drawings - I did not hear him
describe the Drawings - I did not hear him say what
the Chartists were going to do - I did not hear him
say what the the Chartists were going to do with the pikes -
one of the Drawings I saw was like one of the
pikes now produced - [ By the prisoner ] I was not
aware that you were a Blacksmith before that night
I did hear you say you made 3 different sorts
of pikes - I did hear you say you did make 53
but whether in your own shop or another I cannot
say - The chalk was on the table when we came

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